“Be different, be yourself.” –Lucas Robak


World systems are often dominated by idealism. It has its own standards of what is acceptable in its societal arrangement. People are shaped by these ideas to the extent that they become identical- no individualism, no authenticity. Today’s takeaway brings out the beauty of being yourself. And in your journey of finding your worth and purpose, Lucas Robak shares how you too, like himself can face life’s despair with courage and optimism.


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02:32 The Big Shift
06:03 Failures
11:39: Out of the Victim Zone
18:15 Going Through Unseen Darkness
27:44 Faith, Belief & Hope
34:10 What Helps
38:49 Be Yourself, Be Different
43:00 Exercise Your Brain


The Wellness Fair

The Slight Edge: Turning Simple Disciplines into Massive Success and Happiness by Jeff Olson & John David Mann

Expectation Therapy: Mastering Your Expectations by Art Costello



“I personally love the word failure, because I think of it as feedback.” –Lucas Robak

“When we do have these adversities, we make choices. We can either look at it through the eyes of being a victim or a challenge.” –Art Costello

“It just comes down to the choice of you can either choose to remain the victim or you can choose to actually use that feedback… to your advantage to change the outcomes next time around.” –Lucas Robak

“…real failure occurs when you stop trying and give up.” –Lucas Robak

“How we expect makes such a difference in how we perceive and what our perception is of the world.” –Art Costello

“Anything that I can do, you can do better … if you choose to do that.” –Lucas Robak

“Be different, be yourself.” –Lucas Robak


You cannot make a difference if you do not become different. And you do that by being YOU. “Your Legacy is Powerful!” Join @myexpectation in this enlightening conversation @LucasJRobak in #BeDifferentBeYourself #authentic #MS #FailuresandChoices… Share on X



Art Costello: Welcome to the Shower Epiphanies Podcast today my guest is Lucas Robak as a former pilot and teacher Lucas is a bestselling author and contributor to numerous publications like addicted to success, good man project and Thrive Global. After publishing 785 people around the world, he saw a need for business opportunities and is considered to be The Entrepreneur’s Publisher. A diagnosis of multiple sclerosis motivated Lucas to become a leader of the wellness fair, which connects qualified wellness professionals to those who have a desire and then who have the need for a healthy lifestyle. I want to say some personal things about Lucas, we’ve known each other for probably two or three years, I’ve always admired his humor. Lucas has one of the best sense of humour when he could look at life very differently. And leading into that, I’ll let Lucas tell you his story. Lucas, welcome to the show it’s great to have you. I’m honored and I look forward to having a conversation about what makes you tick.

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Lucas Robak: Thank you very much Art and, for having me on your show. And also another thing too is that thank you for writing a forward for one of our health and wellness books as well. So outroad.ford for our, one of our latest publications that we released this year. So, thank you very much Art.

Art Costello: Well your welcome is my honor.

Lucas Robak: But otherwise, kind of like going along with the introduction that you just gave is — I originally went to college, become an airline pilot and when I graduated in 2008. That’s when the recession really started to take a hold in that airlines get hit the hardest. So instead of getting a job in the airline industry, I ended up starting a nonprofit and just started job hunting from there and I was in a bunch of different industries over the years. And it really wasn’t until I started to dive more into the personal development world, the self-improvement, self-empowerment, whatever it is that you want to call it. That’s when I really started to notice that like a big shift when I started are working with other people one on one. It was actually more beneficial to myself as well. And just from there and this, this was all pre diagnosis to MS and after I got diagnosed with MS, it was just it I instantly saw the positive of it. Like just put me on a different path, a different direction, a new, yeah it helped me develop my purpose a little bit more like discover it. Oh, help that process how to discover my life purpose a little bit more. Like I wouldn’t be where I am today if it wasn’t for me being diagnosed with Ms. that’s, I can say that for sure as a certain, that’s a certainty.

Art Costello: Wow. I mean it’s, you know, that is one of the things that I’ve admired about you is that you’ve always had this, um, this positive attitude about everything. Do you think that when you were diagnosed with MS that it gave you a more immediate need to start being motivation oriented or, or deep? Were you already there?

Lucas Robak: I was already there. I was a, I say if I go on vacation, it’s only me working five to eight hours a day that’s my vacation. So, I was pretty much already there working, publishing books, coaching. I was actually also a substitute teacher at the time for a couple of different schools and doing that. And then before I got diagnosed is when I actually dropped out of school. I already had my degree in flight operations and I just went back to get a degree, [inaudible] degree for to teach. But I realized that wasn’t for me. So I ended up dropping out of school, quitting my job and just going all in for the coaching, speaking, and writing. And then not even five months later I was diagnosed with MS and but it was like the diagnosis itself actually just, it was like a pivot moment where instead of me going like I’m still having in the same to the same destination, it’s just a different path that I’m taking now.

Art Costello: When your, when you, this is kind of a, an odd question to ask another guy, but, but I’ve got to do it because the shower is called Shower Epiphanies. Where do your Epiphanies come from? When do you get them?

Lucas Robak: I would say it’s typically like at the, …either at the bottom or at the top. So if I’m like feeling absolutely amazing or the most, most of them come from, a failure a step back. And that’s how I’m like even before we got on the call today, I was, I was thinking about it then the major majority of them, the best ones come from perceived heartache where it’s like, oh, I like most people would give up or look at it as a failure and I personally love, the word failure because I think of it as feedback and just over like one of the last events that I had, we didn’t get it. The turnout that we had, we only had a few hundred people show up and I wanted, I was expecting a whole lot more and just because of that, a lot of new ideas came to, came to light solely because I, it was the feedback that we got from [inaudible] like only a few hundred people showing up versus over a thousand. And so just with that alone, that opened up a space for new ideas to come in.


“I personally love the word failure, because I think of it as feedback.” –Lucas Robak Share on X


Art Costello: Yeah, I agree. You know, when, when our, it seems that adversity really brings out the best as a thought wise, we really start to generate more creative ideas and, and they seem to come in bunches.

Lucas Robak: Hmm Mm.

Art Costello: When I think, I’m trying to think of who it was that said adversity brings out the best in us. But you know, when we do have these adversities, we make choices. We can either look at it through the eyes of the victim being a victim or a challenge. But what I’ve learned from adversity in my life is that, I’m thinking that it’s meant to teach us lessons and when a teacher’s lessons and we take that view of it, then we start to really get the creative juices flowing and so much good comes out of it. Is that kind of what happened with you when, when with your adversities that you’ve had challenges?


“When we do have these adversities, we make choices. We can either look at it through the eyes of being a victim or a challenge.” –Art Costello Share on X


Lucas Robak: Pretty much, yeah. Like depending upon what situation, like when it came with, like being diagnosed with MS, I’ve never, I thought of myself as a victim. But in other circumstances, like when it comes to the event, that’s a…like I gravitated towards the victim mentality. But then once I noticed that I shifted it because it’s just like, okay, well like this happened, this happened, this happened and all this, all these outside circumstances happened. But then it’s like, okay, so it’s, I guess from a third party perspective it sounds like I’m coming off as a victim, which I guess I am. But then once I like acknowledge all of those, situations, for me personally, that’s where I’m able to use it and flip it around as to what it is that I can do, what new responses so I can have to those events to create the outcomes that I’m looking for versus all these events happened mean. So this is the outcome that I got versus putting in that what’s my response to it and how can I change what I am currently doing. And so it’s like for me, like the victim, it all depends on the circumstances, but I almost look at it as like a momentarily being a victim is actually a good thing. As long as you’re not forcing it onto other people and then you can use what you learned there to flip it around in terms of how you can, how I can personally change my thoughts, my choices, my actions to produce the outcomes that I want.I, I 

Art Costello: Yeah, I’d never would have ever thought that you would have thought of yourself as a victim because you’re such an encouraging doer. And I use that word a lot because when you start doing it just creates more and it creates abundance. It’s –

Lucas Robak: –Hmm Mm.

Art Costello: -victims that what I consider a victim is somebody who wallows in there in their hurt and I agree. We all at some point have those thoughts go through our heads about being a victim of some sort you know, and, and various degrees. But it’s the person that stays there in that, in that space for long periods of time, you know, because we all grieve differently. And, you know, victimization in a way is a process, a part of grieving. You know, when I lost my wife, I aggrieved for, you know, really and not a good way for three years. And until I laid out my back and had had a conversation with God and I, my, my ranch did I change it and I made a conscious choice from that conversation I had with him to get up and get doing. And I went in and started writing and that’s how my book expectation therapy happens came about all. So, um, you know, we all have things happen to us, but I thought what was really interesting is you saying that you, you, recognized it and chose to do something about it. Let me ask you this question. Can you tell us specifically what, when you’ve got those, those feelings and what your choice was, what the choices you made that, that brought you out of that state of victimization into, using it as a learning experience? Is there anything specific that you can, can identify?


“…real failure occurs when you stop trying and give up.” –Lucas Robak Share on X


Lucas Robak: Oh, I’m not sure if there’s something specific that I can identify, but when it comes to like, like when I’m, a victim. When I choose to make myself a victim, almost saying, okay, well this happened, this happened, this happened, this happened. Without putting too much thought into, okay, I need to have positive languaging. It’s just almost as like, Oh, a brain dump on paper where it’s like, okay, well this happened, this was the result. And so it’s like I am a victim of the circumstances and in terms of like a bird’s eye view on that, but then it’s like after you acknowledge everything, you become aware of it as much as, as much as possible of why you didn’t get what you wanted or why everything is always happening to you. then it’s like now it’s just like, okay, now you have all the puzzle pieces there. So then, yeah, it just comes down to the choice of you can either choose to remain the victim or you’re gonna choose to actually use that feedback. All that, the, all the facts that are out there to use to your advantage to change the outcomes next time around. Cause a, as I mentioned, like failure is only feedback you don’t have the time that real failure occurs is when you stop trying and give up.


“It just comes down to the choice of you can either choose to remain the victim or you can choose to actually use that feedback… to your advantage to change the outcomes next time around.” –Lucas Robak Share on X


Art Costello: Yeah. Cause I look at things as everything, everything in my life as a learning experience. It’s meant to teach me –

Lucas Robak: –Hmm Mm.

Art Costello: -lessons for me to grow. So that, –

Lucas Robak: –Hmm Mm.

Art Costello: -that’s how I look at it. But, yeah, I love it and I love that you’re always active. You’re, you’re very active and doing, you’re always creating, but you do with a sense of humor. How do you keep your sense of humor so intact, when, when you’re going through some of the things that you’re going through?

Lucas Robak: I have no idea. It must be my upbringing or something just because I’m a talent. I’m so sealing and Polish and on both sides of my parents’ families as they’re really big families. And so it’s, you need to be, have a sense of humor and sarcasm to survive in those families.

Art Costello: Which, which brings me to something that I’d like to ask you about. What was your upbringing? What, how were you brought up? What was your early life like? I’m always interested in it because mine was so bad and –

Lucas Robak: –Hmm Mm.

Art Costello: -love to hear people’s stories of who was the influencer in your life? Who is it that really made Lucas, Lucas, you know, do you, do you know, or was it a conglomerate? Cause I would just say big family. Was that a, –

Lucas Robak: –Yeah.

Art Costello: -glomerate of that or how would you describe it?

Lucas Robak: Well, I have three sisters. I’m the only boy, I have no brothers. I would even ask my parents every single Christmas and birthday for a brother. And Santa Claus never, never [inaudible] through on that one, but, h., growing up, I was raised Catholic. Went the Catholic schools always through college. Well, college wasn’t Catholic, I can’t remember what the nomination that was Bros Christian. Um, and my parents were, were and still are together same thing with like all my aunts and uncles. And It was mainly just a very close, tight knit family on both sides. It’s kind of funny, like today, my sisters to me, to me, like today, my sisters are the most influential people. They’re my best friends and I’ve also noticed that I’m surrounded by women all the time, no matter how, no matter where I go or what I do, I noticed that I am either the only guy there or one of the very few guys that are there, but it’s mainly like I’m the only, only male in the room and it just happens. It’s something that like, I don’t even expect it but it just happens. And I guess I kind of do expect it now because it’s been going on for so many years. But, even for like events that I organize, it’s just, predominantly female and so like the biggest, I’m not really 100% sure on how to answer your question other than I just said.

Art Costello: Well, I think you did a great job. I mean, you know, because you know me, I came from Oh, shattered family and never had ah, close. I’m still, I mean I love my sister dearly. She’s, my brother passed away last year, last June. And, my sister has helped issues, but I had chosen at an early age, age 16 to 17 to go into the Marine Corps and leave the environment I was in because it was so toxic. Um, toxic for me it was toxic for everybody in my household, in Vietnam. Kind of brought my family, um, my mom and dad back together and they moved away from where they were living at the time, to the big back to the big city. Um, I don’t know how familiar with my story, but anyway, it, I’ve never had a structured background and that’s why I’m so interested in people’s backgrounds and who the influencers were. And I was also raised Catholic. My my parents raised me Catholic was they dropped me off in front of the church on Sunday and picked me up when mass was over. But I went to Catholic school and you know, the –

Lucas Robak: –Hmm Mm.

Art Costello: -discipline of that was really, influential on me. But then when we moved away from that environment, I went to public school. I thought I knew everything because I was so far. I mean, we were reading Shakespeare in third and fourth grade and just very, you know, I was taught by priests, so they were very driven to, to have us know Latin and all of those things so, you know, it’s just very different from me. But then all of a sudden when I was nine, it just all fell apart. And, you know, that’s why I’m so interested in what makes people tick and how they think and what their influences were and how, how they expected, you know, because how you expect I think is really, and I’m talking to you personally, because I’ve read a lot of your, your stuff and I see it on social media and all that and I always love the positiveness that comes out of it. And, and you know I just really interested in how you got that positive flow going through you and, because I don’t think it just happened. I think that you’ve developed that.

Lucas Robak: –Hmm Mm.

Art Costello: And, and, I may be wrong, you know, I’m open to it let me know what you, what your thoughts are.

Lucas Robak: Well, you’re both right and correct and wrong at the same time. So like in grade school, I have very vivid memories in grade school and people saying, Oh, like I’m always smiling. I’m always positive and stuff like that. Same thing through high school and college but the thing is that one thing that I really, okay put out there as much as I probably should, is that in High School and college I attempted suicide, checked myself into numerous health clinics. I can’t even tell you how many mental health boards I’ve been in and they were all like voluntary I was forced into one. I would say like the biggest influence on me at that time as well as still today was Bob proctor. Where his videos on Youtube saved my life to where like I just…just the power of the mind, what the mind can do as well as like a, what you’re doing with the expectation therapy is it’s not really like, oh, I like your, I’m doing an affirmation and saying, oh, I am happy. That’s more destructive than it is beneficial to somebody that was in my situation, but it was just knowing that you can change, you’re thinking you can change your life, you can change your regionals. Just knowing and actually believing that to be true was one of the things that really got me through all of that as well as it set me up a whole new, a paradigm, a new way of thinking, a new perception on the world so that when I did get diagnosed with them, [inaudible] a decade later, that’s when I just instantly saw the positive of it. So if I were to got diagnosed with MS about five or 10 years earlier, which I could have if I would’ve went to the hospital when I, what is experiencing symptoms, it definitely wouldn’t have turned out the way that I took. So it’s a, it’s funny how things work out to be beneficial in the end because if a, I got diagnosed at the right time where yeah, if I were to got diagnosed when I was going through…going through it, I will be going through when I was in my early, very early twenties late teens who, know, I don’t even want to think about what could have happened. But just by me choosing to focus on the Bob proctor videos, believing him, putting it in the work, reading a lot of part personal development books. Like a ton of them. I have bookshelves full of books that I’ve read and it’s just a…just knowing, believing that you can change your thoughts because that’s the only thing that we haven’t, that we can control on the world. 100% control over our thoughts and so it’s a matter of, …taking control of that and thinking about what it is that you want to think in order to create the results that you want to create. And I didn’t want to, I made a promise to myself that I would never attempt suicide again. And I haven’t, I haven’t even, I thought about it, obviously I’m thinking about it right now, but ah, I know it’s a whole, it’s a whole different world now.

Art Costello: Yeah. Ihad a, you know, when I was a mental health counselor, I had a, a terrible experience was suicide. I had, we had an 18 year old patient and he called me at midnight one night and, in San Diego. And, he said to me, Art, he said, I am, he had been in our facility for like a month and I had established a really close relationship with them and, you know, on a counseling level. And he called me and said, everything is great. He said, I am, you know, I’m starting college, everything is super, I am so happy. I got a call the next morning from his parents had said that he had put a gun to his head, it, if [inaudible] next to a tree and taken his own life in that had, I was so devastated by it because I didn’t see the signals and I made a choice then that when, if anyone ever said to me that they were thinking about suicide, that I would do everything in my power just to read the signals and understand and help them. So I care about people who have thought about it, who have, you know, those kinds of thoughts. So it really, at what you just said really has a, a, a big effect on me., and, if you don’t mind, I’d like to like to just to ask you a couple of questions you know about, um…what I’m trying to word this right, without getting too invasive, um.

Lucas Robak: –Don’t worry about getting invasive on it I’m an open book.

Art Costello: Okay? I am. Just, you know what, what had gotten you down so bad that you had even brought those thoughts into your head?

Lucas Robak: Outside circumstances? I allowed the outside world to affect my inner emotions I guess… Self-pity, not lying it not why? Knowing that my life, wasn’t what I wanted it to be. –

Art Costello: –Hmm Mm.

Lucas Robak: And I guess now looking back on it, it was, it’s pretty much what everybody’s going through except that I took it, oh, whole different. I looked at it differently, which is we’re expected as as a society we’re expected to do certain things and be a certain person and you have to fit in a box that the squirrels put us in and I want, turns out that I wanted to be my own person rather than being a part of like the status quo, doing what you’re told when you’re told and how to do it versus just being me.

Art Costello: See, Ican identify with this and it fits right into my expectation therapy, a model of what I’ve done. Because what I tried to do with people is to strengthen their inner resolve because how we expect makes such a difference in how we perceive and what our perception is of the world. And you know, I see our expectations as a, through two lenses, we either see it through faith or fear. Of course we know what fear does, but faith comes in a lot of different forms and it propels us. And that’s what happened with me through, because when I was really young and nine and nine and we moved from this urban area to this rural area, I had no friends. I had no baseball, I had nothing in my life. I don’t want, I used to go to the top of that hill and that the conversational oh God, because I don’t know if I wanted to live. I hadn’t thought about taking my life because I didn’t know what it really was at nine you know, or how you –


“How we expect makes such a difference in how we perceive and what our perception is of the world.” –Art Costello Share on X


Lucas Robak: –Hmm Mm.

Art Costello: -do that or anything. But I knew that I was in circumstances that were just devastating and it was drawing me down. And when I went to that top of the hill and I heard the voice that said to me, just be faithful. My whole world changed because I knew in the end everything was always going to work out the way that it was supposed to and that it was my job to be faithful and just keep doing things that we’re gonna be right, gonna be you know, just the best for people, and that, that’s what really propelled me. And I hear the same thing in you once you, once you…had that conversation with yourself and figure it out, that all this is going on, all this, I don’t want to call it a tragedy, but all this pressure that we receive and all these different influences, they don’t matter. It’s what you and your heart and you and your gut and you and your brain think and how you think that propels you forward. And, you’ve done an amazing job you’re your, so you’re such a doer and you’re always doing stuff I just love it, so .

Lucas Robak: Well thank you. And I do have, I do have a question though, just because I was using the word belief. You’re using space and I know one other individual that uses the word hope. Would you be able to differentiate those for me?

Art Costello: –Yeah.

Lucas Robak: The difference between faith, hope and belief cause to me like they could all be the same, but obviously there not.

Art Costello: Yeah. And I understand exactly what you’re talking about. Let’s, let’s take on faith first. Faith is just a deeper sense of, a belief. You know, faith is believing in something so strongly that nothing will ever move you from it. Nothing can move you from your, what you’ve faithfully believe in. And all that belief is the idea I think is the idea when it comes into our head, we can believe in things, we can believe in, people, we can believe in ourselves. …where it’s the idea of a, there is a fine line between hoping and believing where you just kind of believe that it can, it’s possible. Hope is hoping that it’s possible. So, you know, it’s probably faith, belief and hope or oh, really? Just different forms of how you’re hoping things come about.

Lucas Robak: –Hmm.

Art Costello: Does it say, does that make any sense? You know, it’s .

Lucas Robak: So your hope is like just a fantasy idea.

Art Costello: Yeah.

Lucas Robak: Belief is, –

Art Costello: –A stronger hope.

Lucas Robak: Yeah. A stronger idea almost like an emotion or way of being.

Art Costello: Yes. I believe that faith is a way that we live, you know.

Lucas Robak: –Alright.

Art Costello: Or how not a way that we, how we live, you know, how we proceed. A lot of it has to do with our perception and are, in how, how we see the world. Because, I wrote an article one time on a, on perception and perception is a, this is just how we see our world around us… Perspective, the difference between perception and perspective. Perspective is how our mind operates, how, how our mind processes that perception is what we see. So we have to have all the combination of our perspective and our, Oh, it goes to the word out of my head again, –

Lucas Robak: –Perception.

Art Costello: Perception and, and perspective all work together but there’s such little minute things that make them different. Perception is more seeing it. And a perspective is more feeling it, I guess –

Lucas Robak: –Okay.

Art Costello: -Way, way to put it. But it really has a pronounced effect, because I believe that are expectations. Well, let me put it this way, our Epiphanies that we have, like I get these Epiphanies in the shower when I have water going over me and I’m cleansing, I actually have a chalkboard in the shower where I write these ideas down. Cause they just come and flourishes when I’m showering. That’s why I called the show shower Epiphanies. But, we could have them anywhere. But a, an epiphany is the precursor to an expectation. What separates the two is, is taking the epiphany and, and start to process it into it., an expectation and expectations are merely a thought until we do something with them. So we –

Lucas Robak: –Hmm Mm.

Art Costello: -can have these thoughts in our heads and expectations in our head, but we see him through the two lenses. Either faith or fear.

Lucas Robak: So it’s like taking that thought, turn into an idea and turning that idea into a plan of action.

Art Costello: –A Plan of action.

Lucas Robak: Taking action on it. And I like how you have the, the chalkboard in your shower I think that’s something that I got to do as well. I have a notebook next to my, a notebook and a small lamp next to my bed for ideas that I get when I’m about to fall asleep or when I wake up in the middle of the night and so I do have a [inaudible] notebook full of ideas and things to turn to a plan.

Art Costello: Those are the epiphany’s.

Lucas Robak: –Oh yeah.

Art Costello: When you have no sleep, when you’re just falling asleep. Some people have them in the shower like I do. I get them sometimes in bed. Not a lot usually when I hit the bed, I’m gone.

Lucas Robak: –Lucky. You’re lucky.

Art Costello: Yeah. Well it wasn’t always like that when I was younger, if it will, I wasn’t that way. But those are the differences that the, the little minute things that, that, make differences in how we do things. Because when we get those Epiphanies in, you write them in your notebook. Most people don’t do that, most people just let them go. And they don’t act upon them and they just let them flow out of their head and they never, never take action on. That’s the difference Lucas is between you, me and other people. We write them down, take action, and we become doers and we start formulating those ideas and becoming creative with them and, and that’s really what I want to do is teach other people that they can do that and to start paying attention to those Epiphany’s that they have in those expectations that they have. The other thing that you said that made an impact on me is that, that you don’t let you stopped letting outside forces control you that is so important. Can you, can you respond to that some about not particularly what the outside forces were affecting you, but how you consciously said, okay, I’m not gonna do that. Or maybe that is what you did consciously in your head. You said, I am not going to let these things bother me anymore and I’m not going to let them affect me and I am going to become Lucas J. Robak and I’m gonna live my life my way and I have to pay the consequences of my behavior and I have to own it.

Lucas Robak: So I guess three things come to mind, just get them out there and I don’t forget those. One is Jeff Olson, his book, the slight edge. The next one would be a, Jack Canfield., I went to a Jack Canfield the event and he talked about the white light as well as the the third thing is the ability to say no. And that was one thing where I learned how to say no. And like when it comes to saying no, it’s like I’m not trying to be tactful. Like, granted, now I need to learn a little bit more of an emotional intelligence then tactfulness when I say no, but [inaudible] say, no, no, I don’t want to do it, as [inaudible] but to know when to say no, it comes back to Jeff Olson’s book, the slight edge. And just doing the right things, every time. So if you feel like something is right or wrong, and those emotions happen instantly. So if you know something’s right, do it. If he knows something’s wrong, don’t do it and you just that’s how you base all your decisions on. And so if something’s not right, if I, if I personally feel like something’s not right or if it just doesn’t make logical sense, I have no problem saying no. And then, when it comes to like the white light that I learned from a Jack Canfield event was, okay, anytime that a, you’re in a negative situation or you’re feeling down, you feel like you have a low energy or whatever it might be, imagine yourself surrounded by white light and just by doing that will protect you from negative outside stimulus. And, so just by, with those three, it’s like anytime I’m an environment, I’m thinking of a couple examples, which is why I’m giggling is of a, with negative with negative people, you can still have, you can still feel great, still have a smile on your face and be around them. It’s just a matter of what you’re doing inside your mind. And that’s what I do is I visualize a white light as well as I’ll say after a different affirmations, the pain upon the circumstances just with those three of well and that helps, that helps me. I’m not sure if that can help somebody else, but I figure if Jack Canfield and Jeff Olson both are as big as they are, it’s got to help a whole lot more people than just me.

Art Costello: Oh absolutely, absolutely. And, you know, I always think I’m always so open minded about things. If it works for you, use it, does it?

Lucas Robak: Absolutely.

Art Costello: You know, because it’s about, you know, what works for you and how you implement things into your life and that’s what I want people to know. And that’s what makes you so powerful is that you have the stories that you can tell about using those processes. And that helps them, just like I have mine about with expectation therapy and how it’s helped people. That’s what makes it so powerful when we can convey it in words and other people can, can hear it and process it, you know? And I hope people are listening because you’ve done so, I’m so proud. He in so many ways because you chosen to overcome it and become an achiever and, that’s what it’s all about so people can achieve you know.

Lucas Robak: Thank you very much.

Art Costello: That’s what’s important to me to have people learn from this conversation that we’re having is that if you and I can do these things, they can too.

Lucas Robak: –Absolutely.

Art Costello: And they don’t have to live, you know, in misery and in pain and all of these things. We can choose to be happy and we can choose to be come, fruitful, and have abundance and all that. And I’m not talking about money because money isn’t always the answer to everything. It’s nice it just affords us the opportunity to buy stuff. What I’m talking about is the happiness that comes with in your heart of helping other people or helping yourself and creating things for your family that go on for years and years and become your legacy because your legacy –

Lucas Robak: –Hmm Mm.

Art Costello: -powerful you know.

Lucas Robak: Thank you.

Art Costello: So well, you know, where we’re nearing the end, is there anything that you would like to say to people, anything you’d like them to take away from, from Lucas that, that, will really make a difference?

Lucas Robak: Yeah. Kind of go on along the lines with what you were just saying is for years one of my slogans was before Iwent to probably like a year or two, was anything that I can do, you can do better. So if I can do something, you can do it better than me if you choose to do that. And that after talking to a lot of different, speakers because I want to, ah, just been surrounding myself with a lot of speakers lately and, couple in particular would say, you can’t say that as a speaker. Like you’re supposed to come off as an expert, as the professional, as like the, that top person. It’s just like, oh, okay. It’s like that’s not the person that Iwant to position myself to be as, but because I truly believe that anything that I can do you can do better. And so what I actually, I ended up coming up with because I’ve just not notice it in different conversations when people would ask me something is, just to answer your question is like what told leave your listeners with us. Just be different, be Yourself. There’s already too many people that are doing exactly the same thing, thinking the exact same ways because we’re all indoctrinated within the school system and we’re all told what to think and how to think. And what to do, what not to do. But if you just be yourself by being like, you will be different if you are yourself and it’s just a matter of having that strength to be your own individual, you’ll be happier. You’ll probably, probably be healthier, more fulfilled and actually be making that difference, that positive impact that everybody wants to create.


“Anything that I can do, you can do better … if you choose to do that.” –Lucas Robak


Art Costello: And I think that that’s very, very true. And, you know, speaking about speakers and stuff, when I gave up on a speaker schools and having tried to have people teach me to speak and I decided I’m going to do it my way and do it from my heart, and if somebody doesn’t like it, they don’t have to listen. They can get up and go and you know what? It’s worked out right from the, you know.

Lucas Robak: Thank you for saying that because yeah, I’ve done the same thing too. Well I haven’t actually done the same thing, but, yeah, the speakers are so while you can’t do this, you can’t do that. It’s just like, that’s who I am. And they’re like, all you have to enunciate words. It’s like I’m from with the Scott’s that I got to — Scott’s an accident, so I’m not gonna change my accent that make other people well, happy. Like it’s who I am.

Art Costello: Yeah. I mean, people want authenticity. They don’t want to see, and a lot of the, I don’t want to name the organization, but there’s some professional speaking organizations and we all know who they are. They want the guy up there with a suit on, with the tie and all that. And so many of the great speakers now, I mean Rachel Hollis, do you know who Rachel Hollis is?

Lucas Robak: I heard the name before.

Art Costello: Rachel [inaudible] they’re great. Rachel when she speaks is just so flamboyant and so out of the box, listen to some a Rachel’s stuff and she’s great. And, you know, if you tried to put Rachel in a, in a three piece, a woman’s suit on a stage, she would not be half as effective as she is. She’s so affected –

Lucas Robak: –Hmm.

Art Costello: -because she’s so real. And that’s what we need more of. We gotta get away from this phony and you know, and it’s not that these people phony, it’s just that they’re their package, that –

Lucas Robak: –They’re playing the part.


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Art Costello: -The part you’ve got to comb your hair and have it wet down.

Lucas Robak: It’s kind of like Gary Vaynerchuk. He [inaudible] a little bit more than I would like but he just wears a t-shirt. Literally like what I would wear as my undershirt.

Art Costello: –Yeah.

Lucas Robak: That’s what he has on stage. Granted he also has the authority and credibility to be able to pull that off and people still will pay thousands of dollars, so listen to them. But –

Art Costello: –Yeah.

Lucas Robak: -that’s he’s authentic.

Art Costello: Yeah. And he’s done that. Um, is there anything else that you’d like to add that you can think of? That it’ll make a difference in people’s lives?

Lucas Robak: Oh Wow. Where do I begin on that one? It would all just come down for reading and people are just like, oh. Like when I talked to people in a conversation is like, oh, well yeah, I read that. And then they’ll talk about the audio book. An audio book is not the same as actually picking up a physical book and reading it because by reading it grant, you might like consume information, better auditory, like to listening to it versus reading it. But by reading that you’re actually exercising your brain and you’re putting positive information. And so it’s like just reading nonfiction, personal development, self-help success books or whatever book it is that interests you in terms of what path that is that you’re on, what industry that you’re going down. Because I can say we have all read this business book but maybe a whole different genre would be better cause you’re not into, you have no desire to be an entrepreneur. So maybe some business books wouldn’t be suited for you, but it’s just skiing that positive information on a daily basis and by reading you’re also exercising your mind at the same time cause with audit, by listening to an audible book, you can get distracted and the book, we’ll just keep it going. Yeah, you can like there’s a, when you’re working out, driving exercise, doing a bunch of different things audible books work but the actual act of sitting down and reading to me personally, I think is a…very beneficial to everybody.

Art Costello: Yeah. I’m old school. I have to read it. I have to have the, in my hard thing, I don’t have the audio book. My wife listens to audiobooks, but Ilove, I read, I like to read and get something different about it. I think you’re right, it is about exercising the brain.

Lucas Robak: –Hmm Mm. Absolutely yeah. I read with a pen too, so it actually takes me more to read and I have just go through pens every year I’ll go through a couple of times just because I read.

Art Costello: That’s good. Well, where can my guests learn more about you?

Lucas Robak: Oh, you can go to LucasRobak.com and if you’re on social media, just any social media channel. It’s at Lucas J. Robak.

Art Costello: Well Lucas, thank you for being with me today and, and, again, I’m always here for you and, it’s been an honor and a pleasure doing this interview with you and I look forward to it.

Lucas Robak: Thank you so much art for this opportunity.

Art Costello: Okay, we’ll see you soon. Thank you.

Lucas Robak: Thank you.



About Lucas Robak

Being in aviation school in college helped Lucas Robak to literally see the world from a higher perspective. Little did he know that he was soon to fly high in life as a bestselling author, entrepreneur and leader of The Wellness Fair. Unknown to many, Lucas went through depressing periods in his youth. Life was not working the way he wanted it to be and suicide seemed to be a way out. Although he was able to win in this ordeal, he was again faced with another adversity. In 2014, he was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis. But, with unwavering determination, optimism and humor, he is able to live his life as a strong and authentic individual.

Connect with Lucas

Website: www.lucasrobak.com/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/LucasJRobak/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/LucasJRobak/  
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lucasjrobak/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZLya_i9uu8UevlCPeIpBwg/


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